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Blue State Politics: Gaffe Riot

Can a presidential candidate ever talk "off the record?" We want to know what Maryland thinks.

 

 

To hear pundits tell it, the U.S. presidency can fall through a candidate's hands at the slip of a tongue.

The latest development in the 2012 presidential race is a video in which GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney is seen telling supporters that 47 percent of the American people are dependent on government, see themselves as victims and need to take responsibility for their lives.

That was soon followed by the emergence of a 1998 audio tape in which Barack Obama talked about his support of redistribution of wealth.

The two tapes seem to sum up key debate points in this election. Or do they?

Can single moments caught on tape make or break an election?

The New York Times did a fascinating wrapup of famous national election verbal slip-ups through history and their potential effect on the electorate.

We want to know what Maryland thinks.

Last week, we asked if you were better off than you were four years ago? This week, we have a different question.

Has this presidential race devolved into a gaffe-fest all about "gotcha" moments, or do secret or obscure tapes sometimes reveal the truth? Let us know in the comments section.

Related Topics: Barack Obama, Blue State Politics, Gaffes in politics, Maryland politics, Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney 47 percent, and Presidential Politics

tfm

6:28 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

It's a combination. Gotcha moments can be manipulated/reduced to pithy sound bites,often devoid of the broader discussion in which they were delivered. Yet,yet.....they can be very reflective of a candidate's views. The broader principle is whether the candidates will try to the best of their ability to represent all of their constituents,at least where possible. It is not possible on "for or against" issues such as a woman's right to make decisions about her health and reproductive situation. In those cases candidates must be able to firmly defend which side they are on.

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Sue Crandall

11:46 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

If my neighbors son wants to play football, I'm not gonna buy him a helmet and pads to protect him. It's a past time for the boy, and fun, not necessary. Sex not intended for reproduction is no different to me. I don't want to pay for any womans birth control, for the same reason. Seems to me women and men need to pony up and pay to play. Abortions? Nope, I don't wanna pay for unintended consequences either. That is strictly up to the couple involved. Real women's health issues? Absolutely should be covered by insurance, or medicaid insurance, in fact has been for quite a while. I'm not really sure when paying for birth control became a woman's health issue. It really isn't.

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AWL

2:39 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Sue, who pays for the all of the medical costs when the "Lady" gives the Man a STD? I think you want the pleasure and none of the costs in life a typical democrat.

Dan & laurie

7:50 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

These "gaffes" are meaningless to the process of selecting our next president; at least I hope that's the case. They probably have more to do with a voter's solidifying an already entrenched position with regards to his/her own candidate.

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B Allen

9:36 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

True, especially the ones from the left when you get only a tiny protion of the comments and NOT the full statement.

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Sue Crandall

1:22 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

LOL! This time I'm innocent, I tell ya! What set me off was the reference to women's health issues. A woman's right to make decisions is euphemism for "I want you to pay for my birth control and/or my abortion" . Actual women's health issues have not changed since Eve; that's cause we haven't changed biologically yet. Id really like to see some sort of regulation that would require the male participant to share responsibility equally with the female to foot the bill for any unwanted outcomes.
Sexual recreation is not a health issue...but I shall defend anyone's right to say that it is.:)

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AWL

3:02 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

A regulation for un-wanted outcomes, wow I have heard it all. You want everyone to register before having sex or if she has multiple partners then we have to all pony up? Wow what a world you want. Sue, thank God you aren't in politics or rather let us know so we can fund the other candidate.

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Maryellen Brady

11:47 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

I disagree, the Romney video with his donors were not gaffes. They were a revelation about his beliefs as the rich man who is out of touch with the real problems facing the american middle class. 47% dont pay taxes-include disabled, elderly and families in poverty. Wont do anything about Israel and Palestine, will just bide his time and hope nothing happens. Come on, this man is a spoiled rich kid who grew up in privileged household never wanting for anything. He dismantled american companies, shipped am jobs overseas and raided co pensions enriching himself and investors. He supports privatizing SS and medicare. A voucher program that will bankrupt Medicare in 20 yrs leaving seniors with mounting hlth care bills. Suicides are on the rise in the US among males who cannot get jobs, what do you think will happen with seniors, who give up because cant feed themselves with SS or get health care. We have a social safety net for a reason. None of you remember the depression, but my husband did and dying in dignity meant a great deal to him. Romney is a rich man who wants to raise taxes on workers, cut taxes for the rich. Cutting taxes does not create jobs. The Obama administration saved Detroit against the odds, passed Obamacare against the odds (saving 30,000 am lives ea yr) and invested in job creating alternative energy industries which is making solar more accessible and hybrids cheaper. Romney has revealed his inner shallow, hollow self quite effectively. He is who he is.

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B Allen

8:01 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Maryellen brady, wow, a whole lot of words and you prove how ignorant of the TRUTH you are. Looks like you took talking points right off the left wing nutjob websites and NEVER checked them. So what you are saying is that you don't believe in the "AMERICAN DREAM" where prople have the freedom to do as they will, to become what they want to become, to achive what they want to achieve and to be a success if they want to be a success. Oh wait, maybe you believe in being mediocre at best or to be a failure at everything, but then again, that is the American Dream, the freedom to be that. Didn't your mommy and daddy tell you to NEVER look at what others have, just to look at what you have and stive to achieve? Guess not. I bet you are even a BIG proponent of "participation trophies" for kids in sports, even if they DO SUCK!!! Get the facts and the truth. You might learn something.

Doug Love

8:26 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

There are a lot of rich fools running for office. OTOH, imagine talking in public all the time for months on end without making a mistake. Candidates want to reach out and be personal with the audience, as a way of connecting. Not a good idea. I've been managing campaigns for years, and I've seen accomplished speakers shut down when they run into a physical problem or one they didn't expect.

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B Allen

9:35 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

Doug, just because you are "a rich fool" does not mean you are very bright. Look at Biden, he is dumber than a stump or even John Kerry who is also an idiot, but he too married into money. With that being said, it seems that the left wing media, democrat sounding boards and those drinking the Kool-aid seem to ALWAYS be looking for a well intended word, a sentence or a statement that they can twist the words around, create another statement and then go attack that. Just as in this case with the Romney video, you only got part of the story and that was what the attackers focused on. I listened to the whole thing, seems Romney is being Realistic. He knows he cannot BUY those votes (as Obama did by gutting the work requirement from welfare reform) of those on government assistance, but I do know if Romney becomes president he will help people get off of gvmt assistance. I have given Obama the benefit of the doubt but once again, last night on 60 min he reiterated that people need the government to take care of them. That was his first statement. At least Romney wanted to bring back the personal freedom to the people to become something and start feeling good about themselves again. I personally do not like the idea of Obamas "sharing the wealth". Funny how the middle class that is going to vote for Obama are being fooled. It will hit them when they see an increase in their taxes, if Obama gets re-elected. If he does, i hope the GOP controls both the house and senate.

B Allen

9:17 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

FIRST OF ALL YOU CANNOT TRUST THE LEFT WING MEDIA. When you hear the FULL Romney video and NOT the little "snippets" the left wing sounding board posted, then you get a feel for what Romney is REALLY saying. At least from the other side we see the majority of the speech, which is more revealing on how amateuristic Obama is. Romney cares about the people (the 108Million, you know the 45% increase since Obama has taken office) that are on welfare, those on unemployment or those who don't have a job and have stopped looking. You can't believe what those democrat ads are saying, if you do, I feel sorry for you. At least Romney is realistic. He knows that many people like to be on government assistance and do NOT want to work and those are the ones he knows that will not vote for him.. Why do you think Obama lifted the mandate that you must look for work in order to be eligible for welfare? He knows he is buying votes. Romney does not like that because he believes in the middle class and he believes that EVERYONE should have the freedom to be all they can be. Obama on the other hand believes the government needs to watch over you. If you saw the 60minutes segment, you would have heard that. Romney may not be the best but he is BY FAR the best choice for President. I wonder what this woman is saying now about the handouts Obama was going to give her? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2012/04/welfare-at-all-time-high-under-obama/

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Amy Leahy

9:30 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

Seems that when someone is caught off-guard, their more honest feelings are exposed. We've seen a lot of that with the POTUS over the past few years when he was having what he thought were private words - one on one. For example, on the campaign trail 4 years ago when he told Joe the Plumber he believed in redistributing wealth; the fundraiser during that same time when he criticized Pennsylvanians for 'clinging to their guns and bibles'; the conversation he had more recently when he told Vladimir Putin that after the election he would have more freedom to accommodate Russia…

At least Romney was speaking publicly about his belief that the folks who will be supporting the POTUS are most likely the ones who currently do not pay taxes. Obviously when you "have no skin in the game" you don't care much about higher taxes and the national debt.

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Brian Lomax

9:45 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

"Why do you think Obama lifted the mandate that you must look for work in order to be eligible for welfare?"

Well, he didn't. Numerous fact checkers have debunked this.

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Brian Lomax

9:48 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

As for the topic at hand, tfm sums it up pretty nicely.

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Brian Lomax

9:50 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

"For example, on the campaign trail 4 years ago when he told Joe the Plumber he believed in redistributing wealth;"

Perhaps I'm nitpicking, Amy, but is this really an "honest" feeling? Don't we all believe in redistribution in one way or another?

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Amy Leahy

12:49 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012

I wouldn't say you are nitpicking, Brian Lomax, as much as you are hiding your head in the sand. Combine Obama's comments about redistributing wealth with the video that has more recently surfaced of a speech he gave before university students and yes, I'd say it's pretty clear where he stands. This is socialism straight up.

And, no, we don't all believe in redistributing wealth. Just like I don't believe in taking a lower grade in school just so someone else can get a free pass.

Brian Lomax

10:07 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

"At least Romney was speaking publicly about his belief that the folks who will be supporting the POTUS are most likely the ones who currently do not pay taxes. Obviously when you "have no skin in the game" you don't care much about higher taxes and the national debt."

The 47% Romney was referring to do pay taxes though, they pay payroll tax, state tax, sales tax, etc. The irony in Romney's comments is that the GOP has passed the very large tax cuts that have made it possible for many people to pay no income tax simply because they don't meet the requirements necessary. As for who those 47% are voting for, they're likely to overwhelmingly vote for Romney.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/09/nonpayers.jpg

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Amy Leahy

8:35 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Brian Lomax, I guess you failed to watch the video of him speaking before college students that is included in this article. It is absolutely his honest feeling, one he has expressed time and time again….and no, not all of us 'believe' in redistribution. I'm assuming you do, since you choose to defend his comments. I believe in a hand up for those who are in need…not the government forcing me to pay more and more and more just because it wields the hammer.

I also can see by your comments about people paying "payroll tax, state tax and sales tax" that you have no clue about this subject. Typical….

Chuck E.

11:40 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

Yeah, that guy that pays more taxes in a year than some people pay in their lifetime, and gives millions to charity.........yeah, he's probably lazy. All the lazy people I know are sooooo rich. How much more taxes would he have to pay to make you happy Frank? Bottom line is, someone who is running on lower taxes and smaller government is never going to appeal to people who pay no taxes and depend on the gov't. in one way or another. What's worse, making that blunt statement, or growing the gov't. to build an electoral base.

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Brian Lomax

11:42 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

"Bottom line is, someone who is running on lower taxes and smaller government is never going to appeal to people who pay no taxes and depend on the gov't. in one way or another. What's worse, making that blunt statement, or growing the gov't. to build an electoral base."

Except this isn't true.

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Brian Lomax

11:56 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

Chuck, your premise is based on the 47% that Romney is talking about, correct? They usually vote Republican. Romney is
basically just making up the bit about them voting for Obama no matter what.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/09/nonpayers.jpg

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Chuck E.

12:06 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

No, I think his "47%" was an oversimplification on his part, and I think he was using that number to make his point. That map is interesting, but useless unless you know who those exact individuals are voting for. My statement stands on it's own, no matter what the number is. Just like Obama will not appeal to people in the coal business, or pro-life folks, etc., etc.

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Brian Lomax

12:17 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Regarding the map, all of those southern states, with the exception of Florida, are solid GOP states. They're definitely going for Romney this year. So I guess the point I'm attempting to make is that those people who in your words pay no taxes and are on government handouts, are solid Republican voters.

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Chuck E.

12:40 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

I get it, but you are jumping to conclusions based on the percentages on the map. Even if the map only people who voted (which there is no indication that it does), it would still only theoretically support your assertion, but not prove it.

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Amy Leahy

8:40 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Brian Lomax - very funny! What a jokester.

Gator

12:23 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Seems to me the Blue State wants to know if the gaffe by president Obama is going to hurt his chance for reelections. They way I see it, this wouldn’t be an issue at all if only Romney had been caught saying something that people don’t want to hear. 47% of the country is lazy and will only vote for someone who will continue to give them freebies without holding them accountable. All Romney said was the facts. These people will not for him because he will make the moochers accountable. He did not say he would take the entitlements away. On the other hand, Obama said he believes in redistribution, which is the backbone of Socialism. Socialism has failed in every country to follow it, or has led to a dictatorship environment to maintain the people’s dependency of the government. So, to go back to the original question, the real issue is since Obama has been caught out, can we just call the gaffes a wash and get back to where we were. Of course not. If you are not a selfish person and only care about what you think you should have now, but you are truly concerned for the welfare of this country, and the future of it for your children and grandchildren, you have to vote for Romney to fix the economic ruin that faces the United States of America.

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jag

12:38 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

LOL you and Mitt have some serious issues, Wallace. Thanks for the laughs, though. I'm sure you're right - everyone's lazy. Except you and Mitt, I'm sure.

P.S. love the fact that you spent most of your life as a government employee and now rely on government contracts. You feed at the trough and are more dependent on government than anyone on here - maybe more than all of us combined. You appear to be quite old and approaching retirement. You certainly won't be using Social Security and Medicare, right? After all, then you're part of the lazy 47%, by Mitt's definition.

The irony of you commenting on this is hilarious, Wallace.

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B Allen

10:17 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

Libtards don't realize this is what Romney was talking about. That is why they have to spin what he says, not a gaffe, just the truth. It is OK for Nobama to "misspeak" and the wagons get circled around him by the nitwits in the media, but then they attack the spin if a conservative tells the truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arOGHY27JwI

TJ

8:44 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Obama ran on Hope & change in 2008 with all kinds of promises. The last 3 1/2 years have been nothing but excuses and blaming everyone for his failures. Now he says he needs more time to move forward with the same promises as the last time. I don't think he gets it. Even Joe Biden has a lot better resume than him. Hell, I think everyone in here has a better resume than Obama.

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TJ

4:28 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Frank, With all of your wisdumb, can you explain the reason Obama blew about a Trillion dollars on a couple solar companies? I know, it's Bush's fault. At least we knew where Bush's money went. I still haven't seen where all the recovery money went. I saw where they can only account for 6% being used to build something. Even the money paid back from the bailouts is a mystery. The middle east problems didn't start until Obama started bragging about killing Bin Laden as one of his talking points for re-election. See how things can get twisted. Democrats do it all the time.

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TJ

5:22 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Frank, You must play left field for the Democrat Dodgers. It's easier to blame Bush than deal with a neutered president.

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B Allen

7:53 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012

TJ, Frankiegirl is just a spoiled little brat who actually knows nothing about everything. It and it's girlfriends like jag(off), steivegirl and a few others post crapola on this website. I have NEVER seen ANY concrete data, facts or figures from these knuckleheads. It is all heresay and left wing spin. They follow the rules for radicals and they are amatures, just like that knucklehead in the white house, at best at anything they post. I must admit, Frankiegirl will let you know when you have misspelled a word and call you ignorant for that mistake, it fails to realize how ignorant it is and it has no respect for itself. It always humiliates itself by posting here that sometimes I think that it actullay enjoys being humiliated. I think that is what it and its' little girlfriends do during their little circle jerks.

TJ

10:29 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Frank, So your saying Obama is responsible for everything after his first 9 months in office? Or did it go back to blaming Bush again? I didn't know you could pick and choose. I think the Democratic congress made Bush do it. They were the law makers at the time.

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TJ

11:23 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Obama has thrown money all around and nothing has worked. At least he should take the blame for his failure no matter what he started with. His resume didn't have any business experience in it. Maybe he wasn't the man for the job.

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Chuck E.

8:11 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Frank, I know you like to talk about the bogeyman, I mean Bush, but if you believe in redistribution, why do you think we need that? What kind of help do people need out there? Who needs help? Who should pay? You criticized Romney's charity (what was it 4million last year), but isn't that what you want, people to be more charitable? Can you support your views without attacking others? Do you use all your "extra" money you don't need to help others? Do you buy flat screen tv's while inner city kids are hungry? Do you buy a sub-compact car so you can give the savings to pay down the debt? Do you do your "part", or do you just want to force others to do so?

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Chuck E.

8:55 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

So you believe in redistribution but can't defend it?

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B Allen

8:08 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Obama can talk off the record and get away with his crapola, because the media will spin it as he "misspoke" and have to cover up obomas' true ideologies of "sharing the wealth", condeming those who have built the American Dream for themselves, try to keep groups of people down and on welfare or some sort of government payout system (just like the new one about paying women and hispanic farmers who think they were discriminated against and don't have to prove a damn thing in court, hell I could go on. But if Romney says anything, the first thing the media does is spin it into a lie by cutting out snipetes of what was said, build that lie into a story and then attack it and pass it on to the left wing nutjobs to attack. ALL BASED ON THE RULES FOR RADICALS because Obama was a student of that Socialist radical Saul Alinsky....THAT IS WHAT THE LEFT AND THE MEDIA ARE FOLLOWING, step by step.

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TJ

3:14 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

B Allen, Frank doesn't want talk about the trillion dollar solar " experiment " Obama failed at and the 510 million he gave to Gevo Inc. to produce bio fuel. Obama bought the fuel they produced at $59.00 a gallon. I didn't hear either one of these mentioned during the convention. I can't wait, Frank will blame Bush again. And Frank, the stock market is rising because of a couple of companies, not because of the economy or unemployment.

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TJ

3:32 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Do you remember Solyndra and about 7 other companies he approved Government loans for? I guees not. And no, I never said anything about Apple.

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B Allen

10:52 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

see this is a very good example of how the left nutjobs twist words. You never said anything about Apple and what does frankiegirl insert there (besides its' foot)? APPLE No wonder these "gaffes" are meaningless. You NEVER get the true facts of what is said from the left.

TJ

4:05 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Frank, I thought you were smart enough to look it up, but I was wrong.
Solyndra 500 million
Abound Solar 400 million
Beacon Power 43 million
A123 Solar 279 million + another 500 million after Solyndra went under.
Evergreen Solar 527 million
Ener 1 100 million
I'm sorry, I should have said " way over a trillion "

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B Allen

11:02 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

Don't forget the $1Mplus that went to Africa for teaching men how to clean themselves "down there", also the $2.6M or so that went to China to pay for teaching prostitutes there to drink responsibly, or even the $529 million federal government loan guarantee to Fisker to build electric cars when Blowhard Biden lied to his constituants by telling them they were going to build the cars in DE and lead to more American jobs...typicl lies like the "gaffes" that the lefie lucies make up.

TJ

4:08 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Frank, Do you have a Obama & O'Malley bobble heads?? I had to ask.

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TJ

4:14 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

I was using Democratic math, You do it all the time.

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B Allen

11:09 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

Just to prove how conservatives post truth. Now you can see how really DUMB libs are. Especially the judge judy video which shows how stupid you people are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=5nKZ-JqDh_A&NR=1

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Shawn

6:36 am on Monday, October 1, 2012

Do not be deceived. Both political parties are just as guilty of selling out the American people.

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