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Speak Out: Cafeterias or Food Trucks for Public Safety Officers?

The new Public Safety Headquarters in Gaithersburg needs a way to feed its residents. Should Montgomery County cops and firefighters be served from food trucks or cafeterias?

 

Montgomery County public safety offices are scheduled to move in May to the new public safety headquarters in Gaithersburg—but there's one more big issue to work out.

What will our public safety officers eat?

The brings the Montgomery County Police Department headquarters, the Montgomery County Fire and Rescue Service, the Montgomery County Office of Homeland Security, the First District Police Station and parts of the transportation department under one 408,000-square-foot roof.

The building at 100 Edison Park Dr. was formerly the National Geographic Society headquarters. At nearly 50 years old, its cafeteria facilities are inadequate for the county's needs, according to David Dise, director of the county's division of general services.

"It’s going to cost an awful lot over a longer period of time to renovate the entire building," Dise told the Montgomery County Council on Tuesday. While renovations to the cafeteria are being made, the county is looking into providing food trucks stationed at the site to feed personnel.

"My colleagues at Fire and Rescue have taken on that enthusiastic endeavor," Dise joked.

But as the council teased fire and rescue representatives over their culinary expertise, Councilmember Marc Elrich (D-At Large), of Takoma Park, suggested the county look at food trucks as a long-term solution, rather than as a middle ground between brown-bag lunches and a full-service cafeteria.

"I actually think this is a good long-term solution potentially," Elrich said. "People are actually looking at this as a serious way to provide a variety of food you can almost never replicate inside a cafeteria.”

He suggested it would also provide an outlet for small businesses in the county, cost less for the county to maintain and allow for more flexibility in how renovation funds are spent.

"Some of these guys put a ton of money in their trucks. They really are serious food production facilities," Elrich said. "I like this for a lot of different reasons, and I hope it proves to be one of those innovations we can look back and say this was a really good idea."

Councilmember Phil Andrews (D-Dist. 3) of Gaithersburg thanked Elrich for his comments, and said the county would continue to look into options. 

What do you think? Are full-time food trucks at the new public safety headquarters a potentially innovative idea, or too over-the-top?

 


Bill Redmond April 20, 2012 at 01:32 pm
Presumably, they are talking about renovating the cafeteria as a place to sit and eat if they don't renovate the kitchen and servery. The staff would still have to brave the weather to buy food from a food truck. As a building systems design engineer (electrical), I've spent a fair amount of time on construction sites, often served by food wagons. I'm sure that the vendors that Mr. Elrich is referring to put out good quality food but I generally avoid them. Unless the staff are required to stay on campus for lunch, I think that you will find a lot of people going off campus to Kentlands or the 124/28 area to find something to eat.
Howard Morland April 20, 2012 at 02:33 pm
The food truck idea is ideological. It's a promotion of small business at the expense of nutritional health.
Bonnie Whyte April 20, 2012 at 03:10 pm
These folks work round the clock and need something beyond vending machines 24/7. A cafeteria or short order something is needed and food trucks could help alleviate the lunch rush hour. But it would have to be done in a fairly scheduled manner, because if the truck doesn't show up, there will be hungry people!
ED April 20, 2012 at 03:34 pm
Perhaps multiple options would be the best solution - space rented to a small deli business, a full kitchen and eating area for do-it-yourself employees, and food trucks. A company I worked for years ago tried the full cafeteria idea and ended up ripping it out because it was not cost effective.
Jeff Hawkins April 20, 2012 at 03:42 pm
Let's see here......you go to the expense, thought, planning and effort to bring all of those agencies under one (1) roof. A fantastic idea I might add.
Now go the extra mile and build these dedicated servants a suitable cafeteria...........it's really a no-brainer and more importantly........it's the right thing to do and it shouldn't even be an issue. Also: "I actually think this is a good long-term solution potentially," Elrich said. "People are actually looking at this as a serious way to provide a variety of food you can almost never replicate inside a cafeteria.” I would ask Mr. Elrich............why can't you replicate "truck" food inside a cafeteria?
AntonFisher April 20, 2012 at 04:35 pm
I am against food trucks because they mostly shelter their cash income and report only a portion of it on their tax return. Food trucks do not pay property tax either.
Corbin Dallas Multipass April 20, 2012 at 06:58 pm
Some food requires special equipment to prepare and trucks are outfitted with that equipment. If you have one dedicated cafeteria it may not have the equipment necessary. Also, storage of food is different for different types, along with seasonal availability.
Jeff Hawkins April 20, 2012 at 07:23 pm
@Corbin
Are you saying that a cafeteria and or a building are both incapable of handling "special equipment"? I'm curious :) what would be an example of that "special equipment" that could not be duplicated in a "dedicated" fixture?
jnrentz1 April 20, 2012 at 07:56 pm
So what?
Joe Thomas April 20, 2012 at 08:05 pm
Its a slap in the face to public safety workers to be even mentioning food trucks. Look at the street across from the Gaithersburg MVA. About five or six food trucks with illegals either running them or eating from them. It sends a bad message and shows the disdain of the county for police officers and firefighters.
Can you imagine if the county council had to line up at a food truck?
jnrentz1 April 20, 2012 at 08:27 pm
Mr. Thomas,
Your post has me laughing.
jnrentz1 April 20, 2012 at 08:31 pm
Mr. Hawkins,
While I agree with you on your points, I have reservations about so many essential agencies being under one roof. My concern is if something should happen that puts the building out of service, several agencies would need to find new quarters. In the case of Public Safety agencies, this could have the potential for disaster. I can only hope that Montgomery County is up to date on their disaster preparedness.
AntonFisher April 21, 2012 at 01:51 am
So, I'd rather support establishments that pay their dues to society as I pay mine.
Corbin Dallas Multipass April 21, 2012 at 02:04 am
Have you ever seen a smoker in a cafeteria?
http://foodtruckfiesta.com/bbq-bus-food-truck/ It's not that they can't handle having special equipment, it's just that it's not cost effective for them to own it, maintain it, train employees to operate it, and sell whatever is made from it. Same thing with certain types of food, handling and preparing it is typically above the skill of cafeteria workers. Food truck vendors are typically in the restaurant industry and have professional experience. Cafeteria workers are not typically of that caliber. Having worked in a cafeteria, it would surprise me if one could handle the diverse choices food trucks offer: http://foodtruckfiesta.com/ I'm not saying that the food truck idea is a good one, or even suitable, just that the former governor has a valid point regarding variety.
Jeff Hawkins April 21, 2012 at 12:33 pm
@jnrentz1
"While I agree with you on your points, I have reservations about so many essential agencies being under one roof. My concern is if something should happen that puts the building out of service, several agencies would need to find new quarters." Good point, it could indeed be a problem.
Jeff Hawkins April 21, 2012 at 12:54 pm
@CDM
" Food truck vendors are typically in the restaurant industry and have professional experience. Cafeteria workers are not typically of that caliber. " That's a terrible generalization about cafeteria workers. Everything you mention could be handled in some way inside of a building. It's possible to smoke meat inside, ever been to Branded72? Diversity in food? You honestly don't think a cafeteria style set-up can't handle diverse food? FYI: Our former Gov. was NOT Mark Elrich (D-At Large), of Takoma Park, who's comment is in this article, it was Bob Ehrlich Don't know what Bob's view is on the diversity of food one can get from the "back of truck".
jnrentz1 April 21, 2012 at 01:34 pm
I do not know of any truck vendors that do not pay their fair share.
CorpFoods April 21, 2012 at 11:42 pm
My company provides food service solutions for B & I. A contract with a quality operator is the answer. A close relationship between cafe manager and contract manager will ensure an exciting and successful program. The building population will greatly dictate the program. If the business is attractive you can even get an investment. Let's face it the goal for business lunch time is to offer and quality product at or below market prices. Your not trying to offer the best pizza, bbq or asian the county has to offer. Quite frankly, food trucks as a long term solution is not the answer for to many reasons to list. What are you gonna do when the weather is bad? What about catering? Trucks have a limited amount of food. The population will have to be able to support multiple trucks or they will move on. Also, pricing on food trucks tend to be well above market price. A good food service operator is the answer.
Corbin Dallas Multipass April 22, 2012 at 01:27 pm
"You honestly don't think a cafeteria style set-up can't handle diverse food?"
What's your standard for diverse? The original quote said it was a level of diversity that food trucks offer. Given my experience with food trucks and cafeterias, I'm inclined to agree. My generalization is based on my experience, which obviously is not a good basis as a survey of all cafeterias ever in the history of cafeteria workers. I've been to places that have smoked barbeque indoors (Smoke and Barrel DC). I have never seen a cafeteria with one though. Have you? Just so we're clear Jeff, I do actually agree with you that they should build a cafeteria. CorpFoods actually makes a lot of good points below. My mistake on the misidentification of the politician making the quote, thanks for correcting me.
Jeff Hawkins April 22, 2012 at 03:05 pm
@CorpsFoods
Bingo......
Jeff Hawkins April 22, 2012 at 03:14 pm
@CDM
"I've been to places that have smoked barbeque indoors (Smoke and Barrel DC). I have never seen a cafeteria with one though. Have you?" Yes..... the already mentioned Branded 72 in Rockville is cafeteria style, so yes I have seen one
Theresa Defino April 22, 2012 at 04:31 pm
What a disgusting comment. How do YOU know they're illegals? Because they look Hispanic to you?!
Joe Thomas April 23, 2012 at 02:41 am
"What a disgusting comment. How do YOU know they're illegals? Because they look Hispanic to you?!"
Theresa you have exposed yourself as the whining, hand-wringing, person that I suspected that you were after your immature back and forth with that other woman.
Corbin Dallas Multipass April 23, 2012 at 04:01 am
ha ha ha like the context for this wasn't corporate or public office cafeterias.
Branded 72 looks good I will probably check it out sometime when I get up towards that part of the county.
Theresa Defino April 23, 2012 at 09:40 am
Not whining OR hand-wringing. And thanks, Frank.
Dataslave April 23, 2012 at 05:57 pm
I'm sorry, al the food trucks I've seen are repulsive filthy vehicles not even fit to serve rats. I don't want an officer coming to my house (hopefully he won't need to) and having to use my bathroom or floor to vomit. but by that logic i've also seen some pretty filthy cafeterias, but if the cafeterias are gross then the county can just hire someone to clean it. But cafeterias seem like the better way to go personally :/
Cole W April 24, 2012 at 12:08 am
@Coles_Palette
A combination of food trucks and a cafeteria would be a suitable options. This allows for a competitive enviornment and multiple food options. Cafeterias are limited to daily specials and food trucks are limited to whatever their 'niche' might be, but combining the two is a win win for all! ColesPalette.com
Thomas Mercer April 26, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Really!
Mighty fine new campus the county is using. Maybe they can fish for lunch in the huge lake in front of the building. If the firefighters are on the fireground they eat off the canteen truck. Maybe we can get the doughnut shop to relocate. Seriously, what do other businesses do? Many go out for lunch, bring their lunch or have food delivered. OMG The workers may have to brave the elements to get lunch. The real question is how much money is the county spending? Let the people in the food trucks sell to county workers. This just seems like more poor planning on the part of the county.
Todd Jasper May 25, 2012 at 11:52 am
The food truck idea sounds good, but the needs of the Public Safety HQ are more than the food trucks can supply. Imagine the worst case scenario in which the region is responding to an act of terrorism. Roads may be closed and/or travel may be hazardous. If the food truck can't make it to HQ, then our firefighters, cops, EMS, and other support staff has to go hungry until they can find other food options.
If your managing a food crisis at HQ, you're taking resources away from managing the incident. Let's not skimp on public safety on this one...
bill marshall May 31, 2012 at 02:04 am
Why not just lease space to a resturant and let private industry do what it does best?

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